WHAT'S THIS ABOUT
Revision of the 12th player rule so it is more clear and also to reflect the changes in Reg 7 (i.e. paper team lists first).
PROPOSAL
Improve the readability and clarity of the rules regarding the 12th player in Over 40's games.
DISCUSSION
I went back to the Qld Vets Cricket original clauses whcih were the source of the rules used to establish this competition in 2021.
I learned two things.
QSDCA Regs 23.6 to 23.11 quote the QVC rules (2021) VERBATIM except for variation clauses which QVC has for Over 50, Over 60 and female over 40 players.
Also there is a preamble to the QVC rules that says, in summary, "It's competitive but you gotta remember it's meant to be fun."
The disputed match in January (Mansfield v Stafford) was far from that ideal. There was a walk-off, a refusal to stick to the pre-match team lists and a retired batter returning before the 12th player (probably, but that is disputed due to the unclear team lists). Worse than that there was an unedifying and frustrating dispute with serious Management Committee wrangling which was subsequently overturned by a mind numbing appeal at a Delegate Meeting. (There were meeting attendees who walked out.)
I think it is time to concede that the 12th players need some repair.
These rules need a clear, unambiguous rewrite which is clear and easily understood. That's all...
One simplifying suggestions was to allow the 12th batter to bat (or not) in a 12 v 11 match.
- We have to keep the "12th batter" is only allowed in a 12v12 game because
- in a 12 v 11 game
- a "retired at 50" guy on the team with 11 players gets a chance to add to his score of 50
- but the "retired at 50" guy in the team with 12 players DOES NOT.
- This is not fair to each team.
- A key umpire duty (as it is in all games) is to receive (and keep) the completed Team list. In an Over 40 game determining if the game is 12 v 12, 12 v 11 or 11 v 11 is quite important.
- Retirement under Playing Regulation 31.6 is distinct from Law 25.4 retirement.
- Batters and captains are obliged to inform the umpire(s) of their reason for retirement under Law 25.4.1. Not to inform the umpire(s) invites Retired - Out (See Law 25.4.3)
| OLD REGULATIONS | What does this mean?/ Why does it need change? | PROPOSED NEW REGULATION |
| NEW PREAMBLE TO THE COMPETITION, added to remind those who need reminding what this cricket is actually about. | PREAMBLE (adapted from the Queensland Veterans Cricket Rules 2021) These Rules are written in the "Spirit of Veterans Cricket". Like Qld Veterans Cricket, the Queensland Sub Districts Cricket Association encourages all players and administrators to follow them with that in mind. "Cricket is a game that owes much of its unique appeal to the fact it should be played not only within its Laws but also within the Spirit of the Game. Any action which is seen to abuse the spirit causes injury to the game itself. The major responsibility for ensuring the spirit of fair play rests with captains..." from the Laws of Cricket 2017 Code (3rd Edition - 2022) Culture of the Competition. Whilst the structure of the competition provides for a competitive approach, the committee believes this should not result in over-competitiveness or over-shadow what they believe is the competition's main purpose — to provide an opportunity for cricketers of all standards, despite their advancing years, to continue to participate in a sport we all love. |
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| 23 REPLACEMENT PLAYERS For Sunday Over 40’s – 40 Over Matches |
23 REPLACEMENT PLAYERS For Sunday Over 40’s – 40 Over Matches |
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| Preamble: Substitute fielders are defined in Law 24.1 (2017 Code).
Eligibility to bat is defined in Law 25.1 (2017 Code). The “Super Sub Rule” applies only to the Sunday 50 over competition. Reg 23 Replacement Players (in Over 40's competition) |
Preamble - delete, not relevant |
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| 23.1-23.5 NIL | 23.1-23.5 NIL | |
| 23.6 Each team may consist of 12 players. In such event, the 12th person shall be permitted to bowl, and bat provided there is at least one retiree. | QVC (2021) Rule 2.2 ....Splitting up Reg 23.6 into simpler bite sized chunks.23.6, 23.7 & 23.9 | 23.6 Each team may add a 12th player to their Team List. |
| 23.7 All 12 players will be permitted to bowl. | ||
| 23.7 If either team has only 11 players, then both teams can only bat 11 players. |
QVC (2021) Rule 2.3... moved up a bit |
23.8 If either team names only 11 players then both teams can bat only 11 players. |
| 23.9 The 12th player will be permitted to bat only if an earlier batter retires. | ||
| 23.8 The 12th player must bat before any retired batter is recycled. | QVC (2021) Rule 2.4 | 23.10 The 12th player must bat before any batter who has retired under Regulation 31.6 resumes their innings. |
| 23.9 The bowling team needs to take a maximum of 10 wickets to dismiss the batting team. | QVC (2021) Rule 2.5, moved up... |
23.11 The bowling team needs to take a maximum of 10 wickets to dismiss the batting team. |
| PLAYER AGE QUALIFICATIONS | ||
| 23.10 To play in the Over 40’s competition, a player must have reached 40 years of age or be turning 40 before 30 June of the last year the competition is running in. For example in the 2021/22 season the cut off date is 30 June 2022. | Adapted from QVC (2021) Rules 3.1 to 3.3... give it an update.. | 23.12 To play in the Over 40’s competition, a player must have reached 40 years of age or be turning 40 before 30 June of the last year the competition is running in. |
| 23.13 For example in the 2024/25 season the cut off date is 30 June 2025. | ||
| 23.11 Each team may be permitted to play two under-age players who must be turning 38 or 39 in accordance with Playing Regulation 23.10 | Adapted from QVC (2021) Rule 3.4 |
23.14 Each team may be permitted to play two under-age players who must be turning 38 or 39 in accordance with Playing Regulation 23.12 |
| 23.12 Any exceptions to Playing Regulation 23.11 must be submitted to the Management Committee for approval prior to the start of the match. | Each player is 40 or over, except for 2x38 yo's... any younger guys MUST be cleared by cricketops. |
23.15 An application for approval of further underage players must be submitted to the Management Committee (cricketops@qsdca.com.au) before the start of the match, stating player name, DOB and reason. |
| 23.13 NIL | 23.13 delete this, not needed. | |
ABM 6-Feb-2024
(Updated 02-Jul-2024)
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WHAT'S THIS ABOUT
Revision of the 12th player rule so it is more clear and also to reflect the changes in Reg 7 (i.e. paper team lists first).
Go back to the QVC original clauses.
Add a 'truth table'
Team 1 names 12 Team 2 names 12
1
retirement due to scoring 50 = 12th player will bat at fall of 8th
wicket, 50 retirement can resume innings only at fall of 9th wicket
2
retirements due to scoring 50 = 12th player will bat at fall of 7th
wicket, 50 retirement players can resume innings at fall of 8th and 9th
wickets.
It's different for bowling.... eergh.
This rule needs a clear, unambiguous rewrite. That's all...
ABM 27.6.24
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